(you don't have to address all of these prompts) What are your beliefs about the morality and circumstances of suicide (refer to chapter 10 especially) What are your questions? What would you say to someone who is contemplating suicide?
I thought that our discussion in class was very intriguing. I had not really thought of suicide in the heroic sense before. I had pictured "bad" suicide I guess, someone jumping off a bridge, overdosing, shooting themselves, hanging them selves, or something along those actions. I do not think I would have be able to commit suicide like that or to help anyone else commit suicide. I do not see that as ok or feel that, even if I wanted to, I would be able to go through with it. I think its important to right away ask them why they would want to do that. It seems to usually be a lack of sense of control in their lives. I think if you can find out what has changed in their lives that is causing them this desire, you can then help. Often times people will say that was the only way out so maybe make sure to give them another way out of whatever issue it is they are facing.
I completely agree with you they think that death is the last resort because nothing else has helped and I think that it is partly our fault because we do not always take the time out of our busy schedule to help others when they are down in the dumps.
I hardly consider suicidal thoughts relating to a person being down in the dumps. suicide, depression, and other mental disorders are a very real thing- it is not simply being sad, your brain is completely different than someone without a mental disorder.
I agree with Katelin on this. I find myself very stressed working fulltime and going to school full time, not to mention the various other stressful events that coming along. However, I have not considered suicide as an option. There are ways that I handle being stressed, upset or mad, and for people that are considereing suicide these options are simply not enough.
I think suicide is a very real topic that many people want to sweep under the rug or think of it as not a real issue, but it is. People still think of suicide as a bad thing, but they still need to remember that it is a death like anyone death- a life was lost. People looking in on a suicide death seem to not view it with as much sympathy and compassion as any other. I think that if I were to talk to someone who was contemplating suicide, I would reassure them that they are important to the world. That their death will change everything and everyone around them even if they don't think so. Sometimes, people just need to be reassured that they matter- that someone loves them and cares that they exist.
I would agree that its something people avoid and want to just sweep under the rug. I think it is hard to deal with and accept that someone we know is considering that but we need to question it if we think they may be. We can't just not realize the issue at hand,w e have to address it. I do think we need to reassure their importance and that they are cared about by others.
I just wonder how people get to that point of desperation? like does everybody else around them not acknowledge that they are in pain or are they that good at hiding their pain? I would say to someone who is contemplating suicide that it is not the answer to your problems only the beginning because they think it will solve everything but it does not because the bullies win. At the same time, they have been pushed to this because no one stood up for them. I think being a bystander in bulling is almost as detrimental as being the bully because no one did anything to stop them from hurting that person.
The word suicide has such a negative connotation that of course people are going to see it as a horrible way to die. However, I think that the ones who think so negatively about it are the ones who only see it in one perspective. For instance, I know that before I educated myself a little further on the topic, I only thought of suicide as someone slitting their wrists, jumping off a tall building, overdosing on painkillers, and so on and so forth. All of these are examples of negative suicide and I think that’s why most people see it so badly. On the other hand, people should think about how suicide could have a positive connotation to it. The ones who die in battles for other people or the ones who are suffering in hospitals may not want to leave but at the same time soldiers are trained to save people and patients sometimes don’t want to be suffering anymore. Should these soldiers have to leave a man behind just because they think suicide is wrong? Should patients have to suffer when they know they don’t have any strength left and it can all be taken away within a couple seconds? Again, it’s a complicated subject.
I think that suicide with the sole intention of ending one’s own life is immoral. This action can be denoted as murder and thus bears the same moral repercussions. However, I do not view “self sacrifice” as immoral on the grounds that the individual is under the belief that his or her own death will directly save another. As we discussed in class, it is the intention that matters the most when it comes to this difficult of a topic. I guess the only question I have concerns dangerous sports and life threatening activities. Where can the line be drawn between risking one’s own life thrill seeking where fatal accidents can occur, and suicide?
I agree with you on the way you view suicide and i like what you said about "self sacrifice." I also believe that there is a fine line between self sacrifice and engaging in harmful or suicidal activities. I think that it all comes down to a persons intentions. It believe that the intention to kill either someone else or yourself is wrong and immoral and i also feel like our when and how we will die is not up to us.
A topic that I wrote about for today's thought paper was a comment that someone had said previously about a friend of mine that had passed away about a year ago. People who didn't know him were upset about him lose but one person had said that he was a druggy and was not going to change the world. While this may be true, it is not our right to say whether someone was going to make a difference in the world. All religious beliefs aside, we all have the ability to make a difference in someone's life. Therefore, by someone taking their life they are taking that ability. They may not find the cure for cancer or AIDS, but they could do something that could caure someone else to, almost like a chain of events.
I believe that suicide, the attempt to ends ones own life, is completely wrong. It is the same exact thing as murder, except it is your own life you are taking instead of ending someone else's. I do believe, however that there is an honorable form of suicide aka "heros". if you know that going into a situation, that you will probably end your life, but save others, I believe that that is morally right. Even though you have that feeling that your life will end, you sacrifice yourself to save others. Take people who go to war, for example. They willing and full heartedly know that they are risking their lives everyday to save our country. People do not consider this 'suicide' but technically, it is the same. They are looked at as hero's instead of "suicide junkies". Suicide really has different meanings and connotations that have to be taken into account.
in my life, I had encountered thoughts of suicide, both from myself and my friends, however this is not the forum to talk about such things, however, In my moment of suicidal thought, I was keenly aware of how terrible of a thing it would be, not just morally, in that doing something to oneself was wrong, but how it would affect my family. I was too deeply involved in empathy to actually involve myself in suicidal matters for long, and as such when it comes to the morality of another person doing it, I had always had the upmost sympathy for the dead, and those surviving the dead. I had never put much thought into whether it was wrong, until this year, and as I have found out my thoughts mostly have remained the same. unlike Burgoyne above me, I do not see suicide as akin to murder, but nor do I see it as being right. I see it as an entirely horrible thing, even in the case of "self-sacrificing hero's" because regardless of the circumstances, I can't help but wonder why they thought things were so bad, that that was their only way out, that life was placed, that that might have been there only way out. it is this that abhors me. so while I do not approve of suicide, but disprove of self sacrificing less, above all else, I abhor life for putting a person in such a situation.
I have never really thought about suicide in the good connotation of the word. i have always thought of it as a sin when I heard suicide. now I can say there are actually "good" suicides, like giving up your life to save others. I don't know what I would say to someone who is thinking about taking their life. I have never been in the situation that the person is in so I could tell them to go talk to a professional or even just give them a ear to vent on.
The morality of suicide is a touchy issue. For me I believe that in some cases suicide is acceptable. If someone is suffering an immeasurable amount of pain on a day to day basis and they just want it do end, who are we to say no? For one its not our body so we shouldn't have a say in what that person does to themselves as long as its not hurting anyone else in the process. We also have no idea what that person is going through we cant physically switch places with them and feel what they're feeling. In cases when the individual isn't suffering physically but emotionally then I believe suicide is wrong. We should do everything in our power to prevent someone from taking their own life short of using physical force or making it illegal. I would tell someone who is contemplating suicide to just hold on to whatever hope they have because it does get better, you just have to be strong and put all the hate and negative emotions behind you.
The word suicide has always carried a negative connotation with it to me. I always looked at as a person taking the easy way out and not facing their problems head on. After this class though I learned that there is actually "Good" suicide. An example would be a soldier giving up his life to save his fellow soldiers around him. A couple of questions that I would ask a person contemplating suicide are. Why do you see this as the only solution to a problem? Why don't you face the problem head on?
Suicide has a negative connotation. I believe that it is different from self sacrifice. If someone takes their own life with no reason other than they do not want to continue living when it is perfectly reasonable and possible for them to do so, then they are committing suicide. This is morally wrong in my opinion. Self sacrifice or PAS is different because there is an alternate motive or there is no reason to delay the inevitable. If someone was contemplating suicide, I would tell them to focus on all the good in their life and point out all the positive things there are to live for
If someone wants to die for good reason ("...I know it when I see it."), as a last resort in a truly desperate case, I think it would be amoral to deny them that right.
I thought that our discussion in class was very intriguing. I had not really thought of suicide in the heroic sense before. I had pictured "bad" suicide I guess, someone jumping off a bridge, overdosing, shooting themselves, hanging them selves, or something along those actions. I do not think I would have be able to commit suicide like that or to help anyone else commit suicide. I do not see that as ok or feel that, even if I wanted to, I would be able to go through with it.
ReplyDeleteI think its important to right away ask them why they would want to do that. It seems to usually be a lack of sense of control in their lives. I think if you can find out what has changed in their lives that is causing them this desire, you can then help. Often times people will say that was the only way out so maybe make sure to give them another way out of whatever issue it is they are facing.
I completely agree with you they think that death is the last resort because nothing else has helped and I think that it is partly our fault because we do not always take the time out of our busy schedule to help others when they are down in the dumps.
DeleteI hardly consider suicidal thoughts relating to a person being down in the dumps. suicide, depression, and other mental disorders are a very real thing- it is not simply being sad, your brain is completely different than someone without a mental disorder.
DeleteI agree with Katelin on this. I find myself very stressed working fulltime and going to school full time, not to mention the various other stressful events that coming along. However, I have not considered suicide as an option. There are ways that I handle being stressed, upset or mad, and for people that are considereing suicide these options are simply not enough.
DeleteI think suicide is a very real topic that many people want to sweep under the rug or think of it as not a real issue, but it is. People still think of suicide as a bad thing, but they still need to remember that it is a death like anyone death- a life was lost. People looking in on a suicide death seem to not view it with as much sympathy and compassion as any other.
ReplyDeleteI think that if I were to talk to someone who was contemplating suicide, I would reassure them that they are important to the world. That their death will change everything and everyone around them even if they don't think so. Sometimes, people just need to be reassured that they matter- that someone loves them and cares that they exist.
I would agree that its something people avoid and want to just sweep under the rug. I think it is hard to deal with and accept that someone we know is considering that but we need to question it if we think they may be. We can't just not realize the issue at hand,w e have to address it. I do think we need to reassure their importance and that they are cared about by others.
DeleteI just wonder how people get to that point of desperation? like does everybody else around them not acknowledge that they are in pain or are they that good at hiding their pain?
ReplyDeleteI would say to someone who is contemplating suicide that it is not the answer to your problems only the beginning because they think it will solve everything but it does not because the bullies win. At the same time, they have been pushed to this because no one stood up for them. I think being a bystander in bulling is almost as detrimental as being the bully because no one did anything to stop them from hurting that person.
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ReplyDeleteThe word suicide has such a negative connotation that of course people are going to see it as a horrible way to die. However, I think that the ones who think so negatively about it are the ones who only see it in one perspective. For instance, I know that before I educated myself a little further on the topic, I only thought of suicide as someone slitting their wrists, jumping off a tall building, overdosing on painkillers, and so on and so forth. All of these are examples of negative suicide and I think that’s why most people see it so badly. On the other hand, people should think about how suicide could have a positive connotation to it. The ones who die in battles for other people or the ones who are suffering in hospitals may not want to leave but at the same time soldiers are trained to save people and patients sometimes don’t want to be suffering anymore. Should these soldiers have to leave a man behind just because they think suicide is wrong? Should patients have to suffer when they know they don’t have any strength left and it can all be taken away within a couple seconds? Again, it’s a complicated subject.
ReplyDeleteI think that suicide with the sole intention of ending one’s own life is immoral. This action can be denoted as murder and thus bears the same moral repercussions. However, I do not view “self sacrifice” as immoral on the grounds that the individual is under the belief that his or her own death will directly save another. As we discussed in class, it is the intention that matters the most when it comes to this difficult of a topic. I guess the only question I have concerns dangerous sports and life threatening activities. Where can the line be drawn between risking one’s own life thrill seeking where fatal accidents can occur, and suicide?
ReplyDeleteI agree with you on the way you view suicide and i like what you said about "self sacrifice." I also believe that there is a fine line between self sacrifice and engaging in harmful or suicidal activities. I think that it all comes down to a persons intentions. It believe that the intention to kill either someone else or yourself is wrong and immoral and i also feel like our when and how we will die is not up to us.
DeleteA topic that I wrote about for today's thought paper was a comment that someone had said previously about a friend of mine that had passed away about a year ago. People who didn't know him were upset about him lose but one person had said that he was a druggy and was not going to change the world. While this may be true, it is not our right to say whether someone was going to make a difference in the world. All religious beliefs aside, we all have the ability to make a difference in someone's life. Therefore, by someone taking their life they are taking that ability. They may not find the cure for cancer or AIDS, but they could do something that could caure someone else to, almost like a chain of events.
ReplyDeleteI believe that suicide, the attempt to ends ones own life, is completely wrong. It is the same exact thing as murder, except it is your own life you are taking instead of ending someone else's. I do believe, however that there is an honorable form of suicide aka "heros". if you know that going into a situation, that you will probably end your life, but save others, I believe that that is morally right. Even though you have that feeling that your life will end, you sacrifice yourself to save others. Take people who go to war, for example. They willing and full heartedly know that they are risking their lives everyday to save our country. People do not consider this 'suicide' but technically, it is the same. They are looked at as hero's instead of "suicide junkies". Suicide really has different meanings and connotations that have to be taken into account.
ReplyDeletein my life, I had encountered thoughts of suicide, both from myself and my friends, however this is not the forum to talk about such things, however, In my moment of suicidal thought, I was keenly aware of how terrible of a thing it would be, not just morally, in that doing something to oneself was wrong, but how it would affect my family. I was too deeply involved in empathy to actually involve myself in suicidal matters for long, and as such when it comes to the morality of another person doing it, I had always had the upmost sympathy for the dead, and those surviving the dead. I had never put much thought into whether it was wrong, until this year, and as I have found out my thoughts mostly have remained the same.
ReplyDeleteunlike Burgoyne above me, I do not see suicide as akin to murder, but nor do I see it as being right. I see it as an entirely horrible thing, even in the case of "self-sacrificing hero's" because regardless of the circumstances, I can't help but wonder why they thought things were so bad, that that was their only way out, that life was placed, that that might have been there only way out. it is this that abhors me. so while I do not approve of suicide, but disprove of self sacrificing less, above all else, I abhor life for putting a person in such a situation.
I have never really thought about suicide in the good connotation of the word. i have always thought of it as a sin when I heard suicide. now I can say there are actually "good" suicides, like giving up your life to save others. I don't know what I would say to someone who is thinking about taking their life. I have never been in the situation that the person is in so I could tell them to go talk to a professional or even just give them a ear to vent on.
ReplyDeleteThe morality of suicide is a touchy issue. For me I believe that in some cases suicide is acceptable. If someone is suffering an immeasurable amount of pain on a day to day basis and they just want it do end, who are we to say no? For one its not our body so we shouldn't have a say in what that person does to themselves as long as its not hurting anyone else in the process. We also have no idea what that person is going through we cant physically switch places with them and feel what they're feeling. In cases when the individual isn't suffering physically but emotionally then I believe suicide is wrong. We should do everything in our power to prevent someone from taking their own life short of using physical force or making it illegal. I would tell someone who is contemplating suicide to just hold on to whatever hope they have because it does get better, you just have to be strong and put all the hate and negative emotions behind you.
ReplyDeleteThe word suicide has always carried a negative connotation with it to me. I always looked at as a person taking the easy way out and not facing their problems head on. After this class though I learned that there is actually "Good" suicide. An example would be a soldier giving up his life to save his fellow soldiers around him. A couple of questions that I would ask a person contemplating suicide are. Why do you see this as the only solution to a problem? Why don't you face the problem head on?
ReplyDeleteSuicide has a negative connotation. I believe that it is different from self sacrifice. If someone takes their own life with no reason other than they do not want to continue living when it is perfectly reasonable and possible for them to do so, then they are committing suicide. This is morally wrong in my opinion. Self sacrifice or PAS is different because there is an alternate motive or there is no reason to delay the inevitable. If someone was contemplating suicide, I would tell them to focus on all the good in their life and point out all the positive things there are to live for
ReplyDeleteIf someone wants to die for good reason ("...I know it when I see it."), as a last resort in a truly desperate case, I think it would be amoral to deny them that right.
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